Tree Thoughts || November 16, 2006
Only one day after Fat Daddy's owner Kenny Brattain confirmed and clarified the Trees reopening, opinions are beginning to fly via e-mail, blog comments, and phone calls. Few of 'em are kind.
While it's hard to make a judgment call before the doors open and bands line up to play, enough facts are out there to start the assumption train. Fat Daddy's Sound Shack is a pop-punk leaning venue, certainly, and there's little reason to believe that the new Trees booking agents won't continue milking their longest-lasting relationships with bands and promoters. And the local roster that has frequented FD's is nowhere near my list of faves (and has a butt-rock scent to it). Having said all that, the new Trees lineups aren't set in stone; will the booking agents get their hands on bigger national acts and a more diverse local lineup (hip-hop, folk, electro) with the bigger size and better location?
Trees' potential biggest enemy?
That's up to both the bookers and the venue staff, but the former's payouts and the latter's kindness are only part of the issue. The Gypsy Tea Room may very well have a lock on Deep Ellum's biggest national touring acts, thanks to its alliance with booking giants Charles Attal Presents (the Austin-based agency that has assembled recent Lollapalooza and Austin City Limits lineups, among others). Obviously, other venues around town (Ridglea Theater, Will Rogers Auditorium, Hailey's) put on big shows without CAP's help, but they aren't blocks away from the agency's favorite Deep Ellum spot. Trees is a bit more spacious than the Tea Room's larger "ballroom," but those few hundred tickets might not be enough to break CAP agreements. Hell, that's the agency that snuck Beck into the GTR with barely 24 hours' notice last month. Don't count on Fat Daddy's getting shots like that so soon.
But will the deliberate push for an all-ages friendly spot help the new Trees stand out? If plans go forth as announced, alcohol will be banned in 2/3 of a venue that was known in its latter days for utter meatheadism. My personal bias isn't affected by this, since I don't care to drink at shows, but what's the total effect of this change for the huge percentage of showgoers who do? Typically, an all-ages focus relegates Dallas-area clubs into second-tier status (see The Door, less than a mile away in the outskirts of Deep Ellum), locking down fewer national acts and fewer diverse local bills; Brattain might be able to offset that with good bills, but if Dallas tradition continues, he's doomed from the start.
And if such a move bites into Trees' overall bar sales, then how's a room that big gonna make money? Certainly not by raising ticket prices--that's still a fraction of the cash that a fully stocked bar will bring in. Then again, Fat Daddy's has made money with an all-ages crowd in Lewisville, so they're not new to a lack of bar sales, and if the lineups are good enough, people will deal with a few extra steps up to the bar between sets.
The new Trees has its work cut out for itself. But if the club repairs the old Trees' reputation for underpaying local bands, puts more locals on the opening stage for national acts and forms bonds with local radio stations, who knows? The suburban kids who've avoided Dallas and/or Deep Ellum for the past five years, hiding at clubs just like Fat Daddy's, might come back. -SM
While it's hard to make a judgment call before the doors open and bands line up to play, enough facts are out there to start the assumption train. Fat Daddy's Sound Shack is a pop-punk leaning venue, certainly, and there's little reason to believe that the new Trees booking agents won't continue milking their longest-lasting relationships with bands and promoters. And the local roster that has frequented FD's is nowhere near my list of faves (and has a butt-rock scent to it). Having said all that, the new Trees lineups aren't set in stone; will the booking agents get their hands on bigger national acts and a more diverse local lineup (hip-hop, folk, electro) with the bigger size and better location?
Trees' potential biggest enemy?That's up to both the bookers and the venue staff, but the former's payouts and the latter's kindness are only part of the issue. The Gypsy Tea Room may very well have a lock on Deep Ellum's biggest national touring acts, thanks to its alliance with booking giants Charles Attal Presents (the Austin-based agency that has assembled recent Lollapalooza and Austin City Limits lineups, among others). Obviously, other venues around town (Ridglea Theater, Will Rogers Auditorium, Hailey's) put on big shows without CAP's help, but they aren't blocks away from the agency's favorite Deep Ellum spot. Trees is a bit more spacious than the Tea Room's larger "ballroom," but those few hundred tickets might not be enough to break CAP agreements. Hell, that's the agency that snuck Beck into the GTR with barely 24 hours' notice last month. Don't count on Fat Daddy's getting shots like that so soon.
But will the deliberate push for an all-ages friendly spot help the new Trees stand out? If plans go forth as announced, alcohol will be banned in 2/3 of a venue that was known in its latter days for utter meatheadism. My personal bias isn't affected by this, since I don't care to drink at shows, but what's the total effect of this change for the huge percentage of showgoers who do? Typically, an all-ages focus relegates Dallas-area clubs into second-tier status (see The Door, less than a mile away in the outskirts of Deep Ellum), locking down fewer national acts and fewer diverse local bills; Brattain might be able to offset that with good bills, but if Dallas tradition continues, he's doomed from the start.
And if such a move bites into Trees' overall bar sales, then how's a room that big gonna make money? Certainly not by raising ticket prices--that's still a fraction of the cash that a fully stocked bar will bring in. Then again, Fat Daddy's has made money with an all-ages crowd in Lewisville, so they're not new to a lack of bar sales, and if the lineups are good enough, people will deal with a few extra steps up to the bar between sets.
The new Trees has its work cut out for itself. But if the club repairs the old Trees' reputation for underpaying local bands, puts more locals on the opening stage for national acts and forms bonds with local radio stations, who knows? The suburban kids who've avoided Dallas and/or Deep Ellum for the past five years, hiding at clubs just like Fat Daddy's, might come back. -SM












9 Comments:
1. Were this not happening in the home of Trees, or had Trees been shut down for a good amount of time, this would be a non-story.
The Galaxy Club is now in the home of one of the clubs that made Deep Ellum what it is (or was a couple of years ago), the Theater Gallery. The move happened without much fanfare at all, other then “oh hey, the Galaxy Club is where the TG used to be.” Everyone knew that the Galaxy would still be a butt rock kingdom, no matter where it stood.
This is the same as this thing with “Trees 2.”
Besides the fact that NOBODY I have talked to has ever heard of Fat Daddy’s, one look at Fat Daddy’s website tells you all you need to know. The roster of acts that has played there. Their “NEW!!!” pay scale. The fact that it is all ages. Would people be excited if Spiderbabies was opening a sister site in Trees old building? Maybe this would be interesting if it was the owners of Emo’s or the rubber gloves crew.
2. I can not imagine anyone has looked at Deep Ellum and thought “you know what this area needs? What would really make it a happening place? An all ages venue.” I think this is a ridiculous idea. Crime is at an all time high in Deep Ellum and we are going to add underage kids to it? Now there will be no cops out there to bust the thugs OR hand out curfew violations.
3. If this is going to work, the venue will almost certainly have to do away with the pay structure they use at Fat Daddy’s. This “get paid for the crowd you bring in” stuff might work on a Tuesday new band night or with baby bands, but I cant imagine it working on a Pleasant Grove/Deatheray Davies/ Daryl bill. Most of those fans are there to see all three bands. Where does the tally go? Do they split that dollar 3 ways?
I suppose I am just being old and crotchety about this whole thing. Maybe this will work. Maybe this will be the spark that Deep Ellum needs. I just dont think so. Believe me though, I hope I am wrong.
I just became a member of this board only to rant about the idiots that have posted on this board.
Ok here goes my rant.
Mr. Machkovech are you receiving Social Security yet? I know you are old. I guess that you do not need your Social Security yet, you are getting enough money from Gypsy to make a living. Isn't that why The Observer fired you last month.
As far as everyone else, let me educate you on the CURRENT Popular Bands.
I do not know fat daddys or have I ever been there. But you people have slammed some great bands. If you know what AP Magazine is then you would know this. Anyway just to let you people know why more people do not go to Deep Ellum, it is not because of the DANGER, LOL, it is because all the old rockers play there.
Ok, from the list here are the popular bands, just for your information.
A THORN FOR EVERY HEART
ACTION ACTION
AGAINST ALL AUTHORITY
ALESANA
AUTHORITY ZERO
BIG D AND THE KIDS TABLE
BRIDES OF DESTRUCTION
CATHERINE
CHASING VICTORY
DAPHNE LOVES DERBY
DROP DEAD GORGEOUS
FLEE THE SEEN
FOLLY
GREELY ESTATES
HALIFAX
HEAVY HEAVY LOW LOW
HOUSTON CALLS
JOSEPHINE
LOVE HATE HERO
MEDINA LAKE
MICHALE GRAVES
O' CAPTAIN, MY CAPTAIN
PAULSON
ROYDEN
SELF AGAINST CITY
SHOWBREAD
SOCRATIC
SouthFM
SOTHEYSAY
SULLIVAN
SURBURBAN LEGENDS
Supercell
THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA
THE JONBENET
THE RECEIVING END OF SIRENS
THE STILETTO FORMAL
THOUSAND FOOT KRUTCH
TONY DANZA TAPDANCE EXTRAVAGANZA
TWELVE GAUGE VALENTINE
UNDERMINDED
VOODOO GLOW SKULLS
WAR OF AGES
WESTBOUND TRAIN
WHOLE WHEAT BREAD
By the way old people, Pop Quiz, do you even know who the two famous musicians are in "Brides of Destruction"?
----->RANT OVER
While you people are trying to tear down the new Trees, at least someone is trying to re-open it. Tress holds so many memories for me and my friends. It is by far the best venue in Deep Ellum. At least Trees has character and is not just a concrete floor with a bar in the middle and a stage.
RIGHT ON FAT DADDYS, I AM ONE PERSON OUT OF THOUSANDS THAT ARE EXCITED THAT YOU ARE HELPING TREES COME ALIVE AGAIN.
To all you negative idiots, fuck off and go to the biker bar or Luby's. Stay away from the real music fans. Also, to those alcoholics that are all pissy about leaving their beer upstairs, I have a question, how do you MOSH holding a beer?
Old? Are you kidding? I can barely even rent a car...though I am old enough to tell you that nobody cares about Nikki fucking Sixx.
RS, I'd love for Trees to work out as a venue--when Deep Ellum was full of teens and college kids in the early 90s, that's when it thrived and bands from varying genres cross-pollinated. Getting the punk, rock, twee, metal and even hip-hop crowds in the same five-block radius is ultimately good for the creative output of the local scene, and if you paid attention to a word I wrote at the old paper, you'd know that I believe the district needs more all-ages clubs. But there's no guarantee that the money FD's makes in Lewisville will translate to Deep Ellum; that's up to concertgoers just like yourself, really.
SM, I knew it. You could only name one of the two famous members in Brides. LOL.
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rocksteady thinks that traciiii gunzzzzzzzz is famous.
LOLZ!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, Supercell and SouthFM in the same list?? Count me in.
Dumbfuck.
I'm old, because when I saw "Catherine", I assumed it was the band that featured someone married to a Smashing Pumpkin or something. They weren't very good. Then I remembered my first time at Trees when I was 16 with a fake ID. Before the remodel. I'm old. That was 93. I saw Pop Will Eat Itself there with Compulsion opening.
Well, it wasn't that show when I was 16, but I am old.
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